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September 29, 2004

Terminator 4


Hollywood keeps flogging a dead gift horse with the possibility of yet another Terminator film. I would have thought the not very good Terminator 3 would have forestalled more of the same. Now it looks as though they will proceed even if it means doing so without Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Discussions are ongoing with Schwarzenegger - who's already pretty busy running California and trying to get that Bush chap re-elected - and we may yet see him return to cause more mechanical mayhem. But don't expect a leading role. If he signs on at all, Arnold's role will likely be a small one, leaving the fourth instalment to break in an entirely new model of Terminator. Since they've already done the shapeshifter and one that can operate electrical appliances, what can we expect for the fourth generation of killing machine? A jet pack? Roller blades?

With apologies to Arnold, this is beside the point. Those films were all about Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor. Bring her back for Terminator 4 and the franchise might be saved.


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Bring her back AS a Terminator. Set the thing in the first chaotic days after Judgement Day, implied at the end of Terminator 3 (the different military forces trying to coordinate resistance against the machines, etc.)

This would have some potential, no?

Posted by: Demetrius at September 29, 2004 10:32 AM

Hollywood isn't about making movies; Hollywood is about making money. Good movies happen by accident while accounting isn't looking.

Every franchise is beaten to death. That's always been the way of Hollywood. Remember Frankenstein and Dracula? Remember Frankentstein and Dracula meet Abbott and Costello?

Posted by: Fred Boness at September 29, 2004 12:36 PM

I'd say Cameron would be more necessary than Ms. Connor. But really, they need to just stick a fork in the franchise...it's stinkin' up the joint lately.

Posted by: drew at September 29, 2004 12:40 PM

IMHO, if you can't resist beating the dead horse, then T4 should be completely set in the future. Schwartzenegger, why I love, is getting too old to be a convincing machine. So all the terminators could be those shiny all-metal jobbies.

Set it all in that night time people-living-in-holes world and get a great director.

Posted by: Gordon at September 29, 2004 01:37 PM

I agree, Linda Hamilton elevated the the series beyond sci-fi schlock. She's all that and a side of fries, as they say.

Posted by: Chris Taylor at September 29, 2004 03:56 PM

My thoughts on this are apparently less original than I though. #3 was way less bad than I expected. I thought it was good enough that if they hadn't spent all their money on it, they could have shown it to Cameron, and it would have convinced him to come aboard. Liked the end, actually corrected the bad theology at the end of my favorite one, #2. I thought, as I watched it, that if they want to do anymore, they should commit to a second trilogy, set after Judgement Day, where we see all of the time travel from the other end. Also, I'm pretty sure there are two seperate John Connors.

Posted by: Dave Munger at September 29, 2004 05:47 PM

Yeah T3 wasn't too bad actually, certainly better than several other sci-fi films I can think of.

Posted by: Andrew Ian Dodge at October 1, 2004 11:31 AM

i think T2 was the best terminator film.i recon in terminator3 Edward Furlong should have played john conner again instead of that other guy.hopefully T4 will be better than all of the terminator films put together!

Posted by: jo314 at October 5, 2004 01:52 PM

In a perfect world, Edward Furlong would still be John Connor, Sarah Connor would still be alive and James Cameron would still be directing the Terminator movies.... I'm a huge fan of the first and second movies.

Posted by: Jackie at October 12, 2004 12:15 AM

The Terminator was the best of all the films, the story and the acting along with the effects still look good for a movie today! i agree with most you guys, set it in the futre and sort out building the time displacement equiptment for them to travel back through time. We can then see Kyle going into it and going back to 1984 (maybe get micheal to come back and do a small role,e even meeting john and getting told he is going back to save sarah) just ideas but i hope its good.

Posted by: Arber at October 14, 2004 03:02 PM

i like to see all the film of arnold schawarzenegger

Posted by: ratikant gantayat at October 17, 2004 01:41 AM

Yes, Edward Furlong is suffering his own personal apocolypse by the sound of it, I dont believe John Conner mark 2 had nearly the same amount of screen presence. Personally looking foward to T4, I actually thought T3 was going to be totally apocolised, T3 didnt really have to exist at all. Cameron would be great, Ridley Scott? I think theres a reason for go ahead right there

Posted by: HunterKiller at October 26, 2004 08:26 PM

All they need is Edward Furlong and Sarah Conner and that could save the franchise. Yes Arnold is good but Sarh and the original John is what made the franchise Arnold just helped it alot.

Posted by: Shawn at October 28, 2004 01:07 AM

OK, Terminator 1&2 are absolute genius movies. Everyone will remember them for all time. Everyone recognises a good T1/T2 parody - they did it in the Simpsons AND in Hot Shots Part Deux (Saddam Hussein melting then reforming blah blah blah) T3????? SUCKED! Nobody will ever remember that - the only way people are gonna get T4 on the movie map is if they make it really deep and meaningful - the future war with lasers and robots and what not is the perfect opportunity to get some good action, a good story, and good actors in there, not to mention a good soundtrack. Let's just pray that Jonathan Mostow isn't on board huh.

Posted by: Greg Hunt at October 28, 2004 11:49 AM

I love all the the Terminator movies but as someone commented Schwartzeneggers terminator is to old now why cant they try one with the sam abilatys as the bad terminater in
T2 cosa in T3 it gets cort to a
magnetic feald why not make it they catch one that way and wear able to programe it to help john connor set after Judgement Day.

Posted by: mark at November 11, 2004 09:50 AM

you cant possibly make anymore terminator films without arnie , changing the main terminator would totally ruin the film . Bring on T4 with arnie !!

Posted by: matt at November 14, 2004 04:59 PM

I disagree with Sarah being in T4 she's out of it.

Nick and Claire should definitely be in T4 but arnie can definitely be replaced, I mean if he couldn't there wouldn't be a T4 and that would be a HUGE disappointment because I can't wait to see the fight and how it all ends!!

Posted by: Ann at November 14, 2004 06:24 PM

I thought 3 wasn't too bad - and explained some things for the future - although they followed the T2 blueprint too closely and it looks like a pre-set Hollywood formula was applied.

However the compelling thing about all the Terminator films was the human elements and their relevance to present time and affairs.

It will be a mistake to rush T4 in the next few years because our own society wouldn't have moved on enough since T3. In addition, a battle with robots is hardly going to be compelling viewing - and this will end up being a tired sci-fi soap opera, reminiscent int of Planet of the Apes, which never captured the impact after its first edition.

Posted by: Josh Vee at November 15, 2004 05:47 AM

Its all about T1 and T2, T3 definately ruined the series, despite being an ok film in its own right. I think mostow missed the point of the feel of the film completely, it had far too many woeful one liner jokes that seem to pay homage to first two, which is outrageous quite frankly. T1 and T2 had so much soul created so much emotion, I hated it when Arnie died had to die in T2, because of the father/son bond developed with John. None of that in the third. To be honest they didnt need to it, it was unecessary, sould of left it as it was.
As for T4, well I think theres potential for another deep and meaningful film like the first two, but thats providing they get the formulae right - James Cameron. I dont think it will be the same now Ed Furlong has grown up and pressed the self destruct button on his personal life. But all I say is someone make sure cameron is in charge.

Posted by: jamie Read at November 15, 2004 06:27 AM

I loooovvveee the Terminator series. I hope they make another movie. they left it wide open from #3.

Posted by: steph at November 15, 2004 01:33 PM

T3 in all fairness was a good movie- but it just didnt have to be made to be quite honest. T2 ended perfectly, judgement day could no longer happen, all of the terminator technology and cyberdyne systems were wiped out! The most important part of all 3 movies in my opinion was in terminator 2(by far the best of the 3)the bonding between john and the t800. how can a machine learn to love a human. "i now know why you cry, it was something i cud never do" as said by arnie. Mostow is a joke, bring back Cameron for T4

Posted by: Mike Joblin at November 15, 2004 02:09 PM

what wud really be gr8 is if T3 was just a dream in the eyes of John Connor and T-4 begins with him waking up from his nightmare of the nuclear war. (then it doesnt matter if T3 sux cuz it didnt really happen)

Posted by: Termy at November 15, 2004 02:55 PM

Guys Arnold is not 2 old 4 anouther terminator movie! Ye i reckon makin sehra conner a termintor 2 assasinate john is a smart move but shes gotta b like a liqued terminator! and scary lookin! TERMIANTOR MUST B A HORROR FILM if it is 2 b successful!!! and ye part 4 must b in the futer. no longer like the other t movies but this film is man Vs machine!

Posted by: Siro at November 18, 2004 06:12 AM

You know what my oppinion is. I believe that they should make a terminator 4 movie. With arnie! and Sarah Conner! But only a slight twist. Arnie being the evil dude! (As in T1) and Sarah Conner as a machine, created by Jhon Conner. To protect him. If you understand. And making it have the war of the world. Otherwise an Artilect Gigawar. And if your not sure what that is - Then its a war between humans and machines, with billions of people dying (Artilect - Machine Vs Human.) & (Gigawar - Billions of people dying in a war.)

Well, thats all my oppinions so far... I'm going to put them up on papar and write it as a script. Cause i wanna be a film director so... Maybe if they don't make T4 now. When i get a degree \etc... I'll make it! Hopefull?

Posted by: Ole Bendz at November 19, 2004 05:41 PM

Terminator 3 was not that bad guys. Okay it wasn't shot the way it could of been with an great director as Cameron. T3 told a great story. Maybe a bit too many jokes but it was great. if you watch the movie and listen it tells a really scary story about the future. i think its really underated. one of 2003s best.

Posted by: Billy at November 23, 2004 07:37 AM

It's going to be a little weird having t4 because the first 3 terminator movies were about one terminator trying to kill someone and another trying to save that same person, now we are going to be in the war. I think the movie will show us sending the terminator and the soldier back in time to 1984 (t1) and we will see the sending back of the two terminators to the second movie and the third movie. I actually can't wait until the 4th movie simply because we are getting out of the old style of terminator and we actually get to see the war instead of hearing little tid bits about it like they did in the first three movies. They are probably going to show the part where the t 101(arnold) kills John Connor (revealed in the third movie in the r.v.).

Posted by: Austin Kakert at December 11, 2004 08:31 PM

Ditch that chick! She was good to go at the time, but her time has passed. (Remember, she was creamated and sprinkled somewhere in Mexico). They need to start Part 4 in the mayhem, with a no shit hard corps John Connor (Unlike that weak chump from T3) kickin some metal ass.

Posted by: J.D at December 12, 2004 12:58 AM

T1 and T2 are movie classics. T3, maybe might not as a classic 1&2 but i think its not far off. the more i watch T3 the more i love it and enjoy the story. I also wondering if there will be a "T3.5" DVD with added footage, because Mostow said that there were scenes he had to cut to focus more on another scene. It would be great if Mostow could go back and finish them off. Also its a chance to make T3 a bit longer. I feel it was to short compared to T2 and that it could of went on for another 30 mins. I love all the Terminator movies and think each one is 10/10 value. Bring on T4!

Posted by: Billy at December 14, 2004 06:24 AM

Who played John Connor in the very beginging of T2? The guy with the scars and the binoculars who dosen't say and thing and we only see him for a few seconds right after the skull gets stomped? Should they use him some more?

Posted by: Dave Munger at December 14, 2004 05:57 PM

I highly doubt James Cameron will do T4. If you watched the T2 extreme dvd with Cameron's commentary it's obvious he wasnt too happy with T3, after Arnold says "I'll be back" Cameron says "It's better then 'she'll be back'". Mostow has taken over. Let's just hope he makes up for the lack of emotion in T3 with T4.

Posted by: Psycho Grass-13 at December 15, 2004 03:54 AM

I get this feeling that T4 will be the best Terminator movie. Its what we've all been waiting for. The Future,more Machines etc. Does anyone know when its being released. I heard they start filming next year.

Posted by: Billy at December 15, 2004 04:15 AM

Well, Arnold did recently annouce that he was going back into making movies whilst keeping his job as Governator. Just watched T3 and I think it's a good story. Think about how cheezy they could have made it if they only used mostly special effects. It's more straight forward action. I do agree though that the 4th one should be MUCH deeper than T3.

Posted by: Bassman at December 16, 2004 11:23 PM

i think each terminator movie was good, but the first 2 were definatley better than the third. if they were going to make a 4th terminator movie i think that about half way through john conners should get killed. that way the movie would show how john lead the humans and how they survived without him.
i also think the 4th movie would be really bad if they were to bring back sarah conners. without a doubt she is one of my favorite characters but i think since she died earlier in the series it would be bad to say she never really died. however, if she were to come back i think that john should be overwelmed with his authority and go back in time to ask his mother for guidence. i even think that woulld be a bad part of the story but if she were to be in it thats the way it should be.
i also think that if john dies then his children will play lead roles in the movie, each with different qualites as they fight the machines.
yea guys so those are my thoughts on T4

Posted by: kevin S at December 19, 2004 05:18 PM

Arnie Schwarzenegger is a Stuuuud Muuufinnn

Posted by: Bob at December 20, 2004 09:11 AM

sorry comrades for the incomprehensable spelling error on my part...
i meant stuuuud muuuuFFinnn
(note correction with the Eeeeeefs (f's))

Posted by: Bob at December 20, 2004 09:17 AM

Fuuuuuuuuuck it, I just spilt my heiiiniken

Posted by: Bob at December 20, 2004 09:19 AM

Actually, I hated T2 and thought Furlong showed why open casting proves so disasterous 90% of the time. I walked into T3 with 0 expectations (maybe

Posted by: Andrew at December 22, 2004 03:34 AM

less than 0 expectations) and was pleasantly surprised... Clare Danes was horrible, but I'm becoming a big Nick Stahl fan.

Posted by: Andrew at December 22, 2004 03:36 AM

bring on T4...,the action must be in the future,with lasers and stuff,and i recomend a hard battle with many terminators..hard looking faces,like in universal soldier.Maybe they should not end the series,and make room for a T5,and it will be for sure with not arnie,but the fans dont mind.

Posted by: Baal at December 29, 2004 06:17 PM

Personaly i think it wouldent matter if T4 did't have arnie,sure it would be cool but you have to remember not all terminators look the same.Like in the fist Terminator when Kyle is having flash backs to his world and you see the terminators burst into the bunker they look different.All i no is im sick of seeing little clips of the war in the other three movies i want to see T4 based on the war and im sure there would be 1 million fans who want it like the. ohhhhh and by the way the guy who played Jhon Coner from T3 was not cool nope not cool at all.

Posted by: Shadow at January 2, 2005 11:04 PM

hey!!!....i think t3 was perfect n it really showed the rise of the machines.iam sure T4 is going to be good.....but please don't 4get to take ARNOLD. without him the movie is incomplete.....u can't stand the movie without him......go and get him

Posted by: siddhartha shyam vyas at January 3, 2005 03:37 PM

t3 was not very good at all. slightly enjoyable if not taken seriously but never got me amazed at any point. most of the sequences and special effects were stupidly fake. i.e. the fire engine flipping and arnie hanging on the back...and even the mini nuk explosion from the damaged power thingy...ma...bob!

Anyway, t4 should be a chance to build a really emotional war film about the survival of man-kind. Just take a look at d-day footage for some examples. Loads of men and women just running to their deaths to save the world from invasion.

We need a heroic, sad and explosive plotline and i agree with some of the comments above. seeing some of the past members being bundled into a time machine to go back to 1984 would be great.

i dont agree with the whole new terminator thing though. it seems every sequal there has to be a new one! i get this image of a writer saying "hmmm...what can we have now? we've not had a woman, lets just make the next terminator a girl" must be good for ratings".

Ok, one last point. If they did want to bring back sarah conner then you dont actually know she is dead. Se does lots to protect john and would consider faking her death to protect him from any other attacks. i.e. if the terminator were to track her down first!

Posted by: ianjamieson [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 3, 2005 08:44 PM

I don't know why so many people did not like T3. I thought it was the best of them all! Maybe less special effects, but the story was great and it tied everything together. I can't wait for T4!!! I, too, am ready to see the war and watch them send the previous terminators back in time. It does make sense that they might wait a while to bring out T4, but I hope they don't. I would like to see them send back someone from the future with a cure for Sarah Conner. Has anyone heard a recent update? I have been searching the web, but cannot find one.

Posted by: lafemterminae [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2005 01:46 PM

I don't know why some of u didn't like T3. It was great and it answered a lot of questions I had been wondering about since T2. For example, if Judgement day was stopped, that mean the war did not happen and John Conner would not exist because Kyle would have not been sent to 1984. I knew it was not over in T2 because it just did not make sense. T3 was a must.
I can't wait for T4

Posted by: Nyler [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 26, 2005 11:08 AM

I think T3 was boring compared to the T1 & T2. They just redid too much of T2 such as turning Robert Patrick into a girl in T3 and another bar scene like in T1. I didn't care for Nick Stahl as John Connor. John COnnor was too mellow in T3 compared to what he was in t2 and becoming the leader of humans in the future. I think cutting out Sarah Connor wasn't a very good idea either. T4 could be great if they can come up with new ideas and bring back Arnie, Linda Hamilton, Edward Furlong and even Michael Biehn. Arnold is never too old to play the terminator.

Posted by: skyerose [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2006 02:33 AM