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August 17, 2009

We should be ashamed of ourselves

Canadian soldiers should not be fighting and dying for this.

An Afghan bill allowing a husband to starve his wife if she refuses to have sex has been published in the official gazette and become law.

This is the price we force Afghan women to pay for the way we have chosen to fight this war. We are in a war to the finish with a culture bent on our extermination and all the while we insist on praising the enemy's way of life for its uniqueness. Unique it may be but the truth is not every culture is a beautiful snowflake. The self-congratulatory smirk of our elites translates directly into a smile on the face of every Afghan rapist empowered by his demon, his rapist's holy book and our complicity with both.

Prime Minister Harper: What, if anything, do you intend to do to stop this? If the answer is, as I suspect, "nothing" then it is time to withdraw Canadian forces from Afghanistan. We can contribute fast air for the follow up when it comes.

Posted by Ghost of a flea at August 17, 2009 06:44 AM


See, that's what makes me think we should just leave them to it. Ring their borders to make sure they stay inside them but otherwise, they're on their own. I just wish we could move the women and children out first.

Posted by: cm [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 17, 2009 08:29 AM

My feelings exactly, Flea. And they call it democracy.

Posted by: Josephine [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 17, 2009 01:01 PM

I agree fully with the sentiment, but not with the proposed solution.

Leaving Afghanistan would simply render it, as it was before, an attractive place for jihadis with a grudge to plan acts of mass murder on the rest of the world.

The solution is to not let your neighbour starve his wife whenever he sees fit, but to make him understand that only barbarian lunatics starve their wives for sex.

If that means hauling the government out of the hands of ordinary Afghan tinpot despots, well, that's less bad than having to justify each new round of crackpottery once a quarter.

We didn't let the Germans go on slaughtering Jews, and the Japanese go on raping Korean and Chinese women, on the understanding that it would take a few decades (or centuries) to undo nazification and bushido cult militarism.

Posted by: Chris Taylor [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 17, 2009 04:05 PM

To parse my rant slightly: I am in favour of leaving if our Prime Minister chooses to do nothing about the problem. If our Prime Minister was to push for a civilized government of Afghanistan - elected or not - I would be in favour of staying to finish the job.

Posted by: Ghost of a flea [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 17, 2009 04:20 PM

Fair enough. Although I see leaving as equivalent to watching New York or London go up in nuclear fire. So that would be the least attractive option of all. Certainly far less appealing than potentially losing even tens of thousands of CF casualties in a lost cause.

The only sane course is to get the Enlightenment into their heads, one way or another.

Posted by: Chris Taylor [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 17, 2009 04:24 PM

Getting an "Enlightenment into their heads" pre-supposes that they want or are even capable of such a thing.

I have sadly come to the conclusion, at least in Afghanistan, such a thing is not possible. You might get something like the Enlightenment in a place where the religion has at least similar underpinnings to Christianity. I suspect Buddhism and Hinduism would work just fine.

Islam, at least the flavor practised by the Wahabbists and the Taliban, won't. You could make a case for Sufism, Then again Shamil Basayev the mastermind of the Beslan massacre was ostensibly a Sufi.

At any rate, I'm not sure Anglosphere blood and treasure is wisely spent on people who wish to wallow in their stone-age pathologies.

Posted by: dpatten [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 17, 2009 06:39 PM

If they were content to wallow in their pathology and not have the rest of us share it, I'd agree.

Unfortunately they have an evangelistic vision of that stone-age pathology, which makes leaving them alone problematic. We have already tried leaving them alone, it got us 30 years of hijacked airliners and eventually the demolition of the World Trade Center towers. And, among many others, 24 dead Canadian civilians.

So I am a little skeptical that leaving the evangelistic stoner-agers alone for any length of time is going to yield anything other than more dead Canadians (if not many others from all nations), at a time and place not of our choosing.

What would make leaving them alone this time a whole lot different from leaving them alone last time?

Posted by: Chris Taylor [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 17, 2009 07:26 PM

And as far as whether they want Western Enlightenment values transplanted into their culture, my sense is that Afghans forfeit our consideration of certain cultural desires the day those towers came down. In the same way that Japan forfeit its right to be a profoundly misogynist culture ruled by a divine figurehead propped up by a bushido cult elite, the very second torpedo-bombers hit Pearl.

Posted by: Chris Taylor [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 17, 2009 07:40 PM