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July 05, 2005

Treaty of Tripoli

Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, approved unanimously by the Senate on June 7, 1797, is worth a look.

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Update: Dr. Rusty Shackleford writes with the following interesting observation. It reminded me that Virginia used to impose a fine of 100 pounds on ship's captains landing Quakers in the colony. That was before the formation of the United States. So... now I am curious when the various states relinquished/had taken away their established churches!

The problem that I think you, Sullivan, and most have is that you fail to recognize the federal nature of the U.S. The 1st Amendment was supposed to apply only to the national government--applying it to state governments is an invention of recent courts.

In the lingo of the time there would have been a major distinction between the United States and any one state--this also explains why the Treaty of Tripoli would be correct in saying that the 'United States' (the FEDERAL government) was secular and be truthful since at the time several state governments had official churches.

It's very difficult for modern people to understand just how differently people once thought of state governments. For instance, we now say "I'm an American" where as prior to the late 1800's we would say "I'm a New Yorker" etc. The law also was very different. For instance, one was considered a 'citizen' of a state at the time whereas now we are a 'resident' of a state and a 'citizen' of the U.S.

It is also worth noting that the reason for Jefferson's letter to the Baptists was that the Commonwealth of Virginia, while the law legally recognized 'dissenter' groups, had an official state supported church (Anglican). The Baptists felt they were being somewhat persecuted.

So it is unfair for secularists to claim that America has always been a secular government--state governments which handled the vast majority of governmental affairs were not necessarily secular. It is also unfair for religionists to claim that America had a religious foundation--it didn't, the national government has always been explicitly secular.

I am now looking through a pamphlet called "Memorial and Remonstrance" by James Madison (June 20, 1785) addressed to "the Honorable the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Virginia."

7. Because experience witnesseth that eccelsiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of Religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution. Enquire of the Teachers of Christianity for the ages in which it appeared in its greatest lustre; those of every sect, point to the ages prior to its incorporation with Civil policy. Propose a restoration of this primitive State in which its Teachers depended on the voluntary rewards of their flocks, many of them predict its downfall. On which Side ought their testimony to have greatest weight, when for or when against their interest?

Posted by Ghost of a flea at July 5, 2005 09:29 AM

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