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August 11, 2004

Return of the Jedi

I hope this new ending for Return of the Jedi is a joke. The legacy of three once great films has been so violated it is no longer possible to tell.

Posted by Ghost of a flea at August 11, 2004 08:40 AM

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It's no joke, dude.

Posted by: rick mcginnis at August 11, 2004 11:25 AM

Well it's bad, all right, but ROTJ was dead for me much earlier in the film.

My suspension of disbelief was already KIA after the battle on the forest moon of Endor, where the high-tech Galactic Empire was engaged by Stone Age Care Bears -- and lost. It was like watching a modern mech brigade lose to the squirrel population of Mount Pleasant Cemetary.

And what are those fighter pilots doing fraternizing with Ewoks in the first place. Don't any of those Rebel cruisers in orbit have an officers' club on board? =)

Posted by: Chris Taylor at August 11, 2004 11:28 AM

Alas, it is indeed my understanding that the eerily-named Sebastian Shaw has been digitally replaced with the New Official Annakin Skywalker Action Figure for the grand RotJ re-release.


Posted by: ***Dave at August 11, 2004 11:49 AM

This is an atrocity. I may have to reissue my Fatwa Against False Jedi.

Posted by: Flea at August 11, 2004 12:05 PM

Sometimes I wonder ... with all the criticism of teh new films, which have pacing and some acting very similar to the old ones ... were the old ones even good? Or were they just good because they were new?

I mean, are you honestly going to tell me that Mark Hamill was a good actor?

Posted by: Bill from INDC Journal at August 11, 2004 03:51 PM

I'm with Chris for the most part (honestly, the movie jumped the shark the minute those silly furry things showed up).

That being said, doesn't this replacement sort of make sense?

Posted by: Paul Jané at August 11, 2004 04:42 PM

Re: Battle of Endor. sarcasm>Yeah, that was really unrealistic, primitive jungle people never, ever defeat giant, high-tech armies. /sarcasm

Acting matters very little. Actors are just live puppets basically. How good is the acting in Akira? A good movie tells a good story.

Posted by: Dave Munger at August 11, 2004 08:08 PM

C'mon Dave. "Primitive jungle people" don't defeat high-tech armies; not with stones and logs, like Ewoks. The West has rarely fought wars against literal stone-age opponents. They have always fought people who at least had gunpowder and rough technological parity in terms of small arms. The battle of Mogadishu, for one, would have turned out a lot differently if Somalis were trying to lob rocks at the UH-60s.

Asymmetric warfare succeeds because of 1) mobility and resiliency of smaller unconventional forces (i.e. Iraqi fedayeen, Viet Cong), 2) logistical and material support (or the ability to purchase modern arms) from an allied high-tech army (i.e. Iran backing fedayeen, Soviet Union backing Vietnam), and 3) unwillingness of high-tech home populations to endure ongoing casualties and prosecute the war. If none of those factors are in play (i.e. the defense of Rorke's Drift) then high-tech armies tend to win, even against horrific odds.

Posted by: Chris Taylor at August 12, 2004 08:59 AM

Posted by: Ben at August 12, 2004 11:41 AM

The Ewoks only had to buy a little time for the Alliance Fleet, they didn't have to seize control of the Death Star or anything. They knew the turf, and by that time it'd been thoughroughly established that the Storm Troopers had serious problems with basic stuff, like aiming. They brought equipment more appropriate for Hoth, that can be tripped.

When I first saw that movie I thought Lucas based them on Contras. Turned out he based them on the Viet Cong :^(

Posted by: Dave Munger at August 12, 2004 08:51 PM

i just bought the Star wars dvd trilogy. i was shocked and saddened to see that at the end of Return of The Jedi the acter who played the older Anakin Skywalker has been digitally removed and replaced with Hayden Christenson. This is the most ridiculous thing i have ever seen! Why does Lucas have to change a great ending of a great trilogy. the movie has been this way for twenty something years why change it. I WANT THE ORIGINAL FILM!! Please tell me i am not the only one that feels this way.

Posted by: john at October 3, 2004 11:06 PM

I too was shocked and saddened to see the change at the end of ROTJ. However, after pondering the change and hearing interviews with Lucas, I don't feel as bad. I mean- this is Lucas's baby- he can do whatever he wants with it. It does bring all six movies together by connecting the newer Anakin into the older trilogy. It's almost as if the "spirit" of Anakin was restored to the younger man before completely sucumbing to the Dark Side. It still rubs me the wrong way- but I feel better about it that the original creator (Lucas) changed it and not some revisionist. I mean, don't artists have the right to their own work? Am I wrong in this?

Posted by: Paul Johnson at October 4, 2004 03:28 PM

New ending ok? No way! It makes no sense whatsoever and taints the entire ending. When Hayden shows up in the spirit form, Luke wouldn't even know who the hell he was. He shoulda mowed him down with his sabre. I hear that George "the digital pimp" Lucas put him in there because when he died his spirit goes back to when he was following the good side of the force. If that's the case, then Luke never did pull Vader from the dark side! Wtf George?!

Posted by: smokin_bear at October 6, 2004 09:30 AM

Man! Most of you need to sit back and take a deep breath, especially you Dave (Asymmetric warfare succeeds because . . . ) Holy Crap!! It's just a movie! It's made up!! Just enjoy it for what it's worth!! Don't put so much thought into it that you begin hating the films. It's silly that you're literally trying to work out the battles and figure out if it actually could happen! Movie Dave! Make Believe.

Posted by: Dan at November 10, 2004 04:42 PM

Sorry, didn't mean Dave in my last post. I meant Chris!

Posted by: Dan at November 10, 2004 04:44 PM


Short version: fuganewoks made it hard to play along in the make-believe. Dave disagrees. You disagree. Thanks for commenting.

Posted by: Chris Taylor at November 10, 2004 07:22 PM